Conspiracy Theory Thread

[Matt]

They are with almost every topic and some people could either be obvlious to them or just not realize them. Hell, some of them might not even be true. I believe in one conspiracy however. I do realize September 11th is a sensitive topic and if anybody wishes not to discuss it I will close the thread but does anybody think something was off about the damage done to the pentagon?

Look at the picture below. A Boeing 757 aircraft is a large aircraft and if an aircraft really did crash into the pentagon wouldn't most of the debris land inside? However, the pentagon was a different case. All of the debris landed outside on the lawn of it, suggesting that a bomb was placed from the inside and exploded outward. Also, the walls of the pentagon were reinforced limestone. If a plane hit into the pentagon going at least 700 mph the wings would have snapped off and remained at the crumbling wall. Guess what, no wings were found. . . anywhere.

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/pentagon-aerial-thumb.jpg

The pentagon was composed of 5 sides with 4 inner rings labeled E, D, C, B.[/COLOR](See Diagram Below)

http://pentagon.spacelist.org/images/impact.jpg

The Boeing 757 aircraft crashed into the outer wall of the E ring. Now, can anyone explain to me the 16 foot tall hole found randomly on the interior wall of the C ring? Far from where the plane even struck?

http://www.eritrea-chat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/11-September-2001-Pentagon-Conspiracy-Impact-569x250.png

Oh, you say the plane could've slid through the E ring into the D ring and out the C ring. However, the problems with that are:

No plane was found
No damage was done to the ring located between E and C
A Boeing 757 is taller than 16 feet.

Random, unexplainable wholes found in a building? A bit strange don't you think?

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Now does that look like an aircraft? Looks like a missile to me. . . further proving my "explosion" theory.

I will conclude the Pentagon Conspiracy by saying how the "witnesses" claim they saw the plane do a full cork screw and slam into the Pentagon at max speed. (YEAH RIGHT) Hani Hanjour, the Hijacker who pilot for the plane that hit the pentagon was said to be a horrible pilot. He would not have had, for lack of a better word, the skill to perform a cork screw at max speed and crash directly into the pentagon.

Once again if anyone has problems regarding this just PM and I'll understand completely, no questions asked. If we do not have any problems then I will continue to post more Conspiracy Theories in here.

[Revan]

Besides some of the major flaws in your theory, one you never addressed how people died then. I guess those people on the missing plane are alive and in a witness protection program? or were kidnapped and killed? Then why the hell not just crash the plane anyway instead of going through the trouble of making it vanish and sending a missile or planting a bomb. And tbh what in God's name does it even matter. There is no humanely logical explanation as to why the most powerful government in the world would want to cover up a terrorist attack or blame a terror group. Like im going to believe with all our resources that we did all this for oil.

[Matt]

Insurance.. and whose to say those were the right planes that crashed anyway. Could be rouge planes, you figure one plane takes off 7 in the morning, switches out with government plane 001 at 7:15 AM. The original plane full of passengers land in a secure military base and were never released. You know why this is possible? Cell phones back in 2001 were limited to a max altitude of about 15,000 ft. However, several phone calls were made while the Hijacked planes were flying at over 30,000 ft. can you explain that?

[Tactics]

Not many come to realize the fact, though the Pentagon despite its shape, is a very strong building. I feel that there is no conspiracy, though walls are strong, who's to say the plane didn't start to explode before the impact of the Pentagon?

Phone calls can be made on aircraft's, maybe not using your cell phone, though the built in phones on the plane itself. There is not one possible way that a theory made on how people were dropped off at a base would even make sense. Never released wouldn't be logical.


700mph into a military grade wall, I wouldn't suspect to even see wings, not even people.

#If no plane was found, then show me the missile, because they also leave behind a footprint.

[Matt]

Did you watch the video? that sure as hell didn't look like a plane. I don't agree with ALL of these conspiracies because they would contradict themselves. I'm just saying some conspiracies that people purposed. It would make no sense for me to say a bomb was planted and then say a missile hit it. Do I believe something screwy happened that day?. . . Yes. Do I want to believe the government caused 9/11?. . . No. Do I believe it was entirely the governments fault?. . . No.

I am a loose believer in the whole 9/11 story being a conspiracy. I don't see how people can claim the twin towers weren't hit by planes when there is video footage of them being hit. 9/11 was a great tragedy and I have the greatest sympathy possible for all the people who lost family members and I thank all the brave men and women who helped on that tragic day. . . including my father.

[Tactics]

Yes, I did watch the video and that footage really can't prove anything. At 0:24 you can see the white figure at the right of the screen. Depending on how far that camera may have been, it could appear much smaller and of course the explosion will appear much bigger. It's hard to say for sure what hit the place if you were not physically there looking. I didn't investigate the damage and the clean-up crew does not get paid enough to keep their mouth shut. So, lets go with it was a plane - because people obviously lost family members on this flight and the government obviously didn't drop them off at a base then shoot each person.


Here is a video explaining how it was a plane and how that camera was much to far, of course it would look like a missile.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8&feature=related

[Matt]

ok, lets go ahead and say it was a plane. First of all a boeing 757 would've been much larger than that Regardless on how far the camera was, it wouldn't effect length by that much. . . and you have no idea how much cleanup crews were paid. Very unlikely but whose to say they weren't paid off. Nobody can prove anything that isn't on raw footage that's how conspiracy theories start, lack of evidence and they sort of use the unpredictable as an advantage. Would people think the cleanup crews were paid off? no, but whose to say they werent..

[Tactics]

Depending on how many people it took to clean up the mess, I wouldn't think the government would have enough money. You can track how much funds our government has, it would be odd to see some billions missing. Because if I were involved, I would want millions. How would I report that money, because other agencies in the government need to know where that money came from and I doubt everyone in the government got money, just don't see it happening :p From that video I linked, you can get an idea on how far that security booth was.

[Matt]

ok, then how do you explain the collapsing of WTC 7? Thats where the FBI and CIA kept all their top secret missions. It collapsed 6 hours after the Twin Towers fell. Nothing but a small fire started in it, and then the whole thing collapsed..

[Tactics]

Didn't they rebuild that building after it collapsed though? They never built over Ground Zero do to the fact peoples graves are now there, some bodies to which were never found in the damage. This other buildings data is not kept in one location, especially in New York (at least I would assume). The government is not smart and will never be, they have managed to never complete one task without us knowing. How would they cover this? They couldn't... I could go into greater research to why this building caught fire, though I see no need too.

There will also be conspiracy because no one wants to accept it. I didn't lose anyone in the 9/11 attack and I can't imagine how it must feel.

Here is how I honor those who died:

The plane that went down in Pennsylvania is now a private cemetery/garden and only those who lost someone may enter. Those people went down at this location because they managed to fight back. There is a video on how the passengers managed to gain control of the aircraft, though not fast enough. These hijackers were trained not to fly these brand new model airplanes, which have just recently come out before 9/11. Though what they did was moved everyone to the back of the plane and they allowed phone calls from the on-board phones or cell phones. Towards the end the people I think actually accepted that they will probably die and fought back to realize these people were only equipped with toy guns, which looked real. After they got into the cockpit that's when it all south.

As one, they fought back. That's pretty amazing. I go with what we know from small evidence which is good enough for me, because for as long as I live in this country - I will never allow the idea of our government being corrupted. I keep myself from thinking they are corrupt because they do a pretty good job at not keeping things private. Two parties are involved with different views. The president is a figure head at most with some power, though not enough to cover such events.

[Matt]

yes, those people fought back. . . but 1 plane out of 4 doesn't totally shut down the conspiracy theory.

[Air Force Hero]

Very interesting. The "plane" is flying way to low to the ground, and it had to be next to the ground for a while if it wanted to hit that spot in the pentagon.